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08-31-2009 07:59 PM
I have rooted my phone but I have not installed any custom rom or anything yet. Still researching where i think the lag is coming from etc.
What I would like to state is this though. A lot of people are running around on the boards boasting almost that, they havent experienced lag, and it must some how be a magical occurence, but OH wait, I also am rooted now so....
I just want the level to be set, because I find it hard to believe that people who have rooted didnt witness ANY lag at all with the phone.
I want to do this for a few reasons, 1. Tmobile and Android devs need to know the real world untainted feedback on whether the phone has had problems running basic software. 2. If you have rooted, then they need to know that that alleviated some of the problems you would have had normally if you didnt. IF the consensus is its a randomly occuring problem then I fear there wont be enough traction aside from just regurlarly planned updates to the OS.
Does this sound sane?

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08-31-2009 08:01 PM
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08-31-2009 08:02 PM
Well not as of late. I heard a lot of people say their phone lagged trying to run something like Hero rom, but most people with Cyanogen have had only good things to say about that. True?
lovescakemix wrote:plenty of people have complained about lag still after root, where have you been lol
but i havent had any troublesome lag before or after.

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08-31-2009 08:03 PM
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08-31-2009 08:08 PM
I plan on running a battery of tests that involve a few days of running the phone, with out normal syncing turned on, without email syncing set to normal, and no custom software installed and see if it runs properly. As soon as I can get the cycles to do this.
Just wanna see the results.

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08-31-2009 08:10 PM
Maybe its the definition of 'lag' that is confusing...
I have a quad core PC, and I still dont get instant results out of anything... So am I expecting instant results from the phone? I dont know...
What exactly is 'lag'? Before I rooted, I clicked on things on my phone and it did them... Was it in a millisecond and instant? No...LOL I have never had a phone, PC, laptop, or anything be instant...
So yes, I am one of those that will state that i was perfectly happy with the phone and I do not consider myself one of those who had any lag whatsoever.. Even before I rooted. And now that I am rooted, its silky, creamy smooth, yes... But instant?? No...
Bottom line... Take all these reports of lag with a grain of salt... Im not saying that they are inaccurate... All I am saying is that people are all different... 70MPH is really fast for some people, yet really slow to others...
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08-31-2009 08:15 PM
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08-31-2009 08:16 PM
zapote21 said it the best. what are people expecting lag to be.
havent to wait to open an app like browser is not lag.
being in a middle of the app and it being slow as soon as you push the home button is not lag.
also when typing in the search bar, the phone is given you instant suggestions based on every letter that you enter.
i dont count that as lag either, even though sometimes it may seem to slowing down the input.
other than that (if the above is somehow classifed as lag by someone) i have had no slow down problems with anything
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08-31-2009 08:24 PM
Well I wasnt being sarcastic or idiotic referring to lag.
Let me define it as I see it. This from a techie. Some lag is expected sometimes, but When I am reading emails, and the phone rings, and I click the answer button once, and it doesnt register, then I click it twice and it does, That is lag.
When I am typing on the keyboard and it simply stops and freezes for about 2 secs, and then misses the last 2 characters out of the word CAT...then thats lag.
When I open the browser (I dont expect ANYTHING...i think they screwed the pooch totally on the browser, so I am not expecting anything to happen fast when it concerns the browser.)
IS my phone usable, yes 90 percent of the time but its where I purposely am waiting for it to do things, and not forcing it. If I was in an emergency situation and had to dial 911, I would probably reach for the house phone first just because I dont trust this phone would deliver the functionality, without some sort of headache.

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08-31-2009 08:32 PM
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09-01-2009 08:31 AM
I haven't rooted yet, so can't comment on the difference before/after. But I would like to point out 2 things:
1. In response to the OP's reason for wanting to clarfiy - I agree that in order to get better stock OS, google needs to hear from us about how the phone is performing. Talking about how rooting overcomes lag problems is not going to result in us getting a faster-running phone from Google.
2. Related, but google will also not really go out of their way to vastly improve the phone's performance if they hear that there is no lag. Even if, by your standards, the lag is minimal, wouldn't you want it to be even less noticable? If they think we're overly satisfied with what we've already got, then won't they just let it be? Don't we want a better-performing phone?
I realize that google most likely doesn't comb through these forums for customer feedback...but at the same time, I actually wouldn't be surprised to learn that they did. I mean, if they are truly concerned about us consumers, what better place to research our opinions??
Lastly, I'm not dogging rooting at all, in fact I'm seriously playing with the idea of taking the plunge and doing it myself. But by definition, rooting is not related to Google or the stock experience, and for the 'average-joe' mytouch user, THAT is where they need improvements, in the stock user experience.
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09-01-2009 08:43 AM
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09-01-2009 11:22 AM
Breakthecycle2 wrote:
Im telling you the truth. I have had no lag, before or after root.
I totally believe you, Break. But I'm telling you the truth when I say that I HAVE had lag. Not end-of-the-world-I-can't-use-my-phone lag (LOL), but definite lag, considerable at times, non-existent at others.
The only real pain-in-my-arse lag I experience on a regular basis is with the keyboard. I'm a fast typer, and the dang thing just will not even come close to keeping up with me. My problem with the keyboard isn't that it's virtual - I actually type very comfortably on it - it's that it's so slow! It's SO frustrating to have to wait 2-3 seconds between EACH word, or even between letters...other than that, the lag is definitely bearable.
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09-01-2009 11:40 AM
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09-01-2009 11:59 AM
Breakthecycle2 wrote:
That's a normal bug it seems like. When I first boot in the morning, mine does that.
Not to be a smart-arse, but wouldn't that count as lag? Lol. Seems like being able to type on a keyboard of a smartphone would be an 'essential' - meaning, something that SHOULD work well, not something that can be waved away as 'normal lag.'
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09-01-2009 12:08 PM
I don't count that being it's on inital boot. lol
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09-01-2009 01:05 PM
Breakthecycle2 wrote:
Im telling you the truth. I have had no lag, before or after root.
Neither did I. I would be pissed off if it didn't answer the first time I hit the answer button, too. I haven't experienced this. My phone never freezes when inputting text. I rooted because I like jacking around with the phone. It doesn't seem to run any faster or more stable for me, but I didn't have any problems before. Maybe if I was taxing the phone I would notice more of a difference.
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09-01-2009 01:57 PM
jeenius_KC wrote:
Breakthecycle2 wrote:
Im telling you the truth. I have had no lag, before or after root.Neither did I. I would be pissed off if it didn't answer the first time I hit the answer button, too. I haven't experienced this. My phone never freezes when inputting text. I rooted because I like jacking around with the phone. It doesn't seem to run any faster or more stable for me, but I didn't have any problems before. Maybe if I was taxing the phone I would notice more of a difference.
There's apparently some discrepancy over what exactly constitues 'taxing' the phone. I personally dont consider running a couple of widgets, and using various apps separately as 'taxing' the phone as that is what the phone was supposedly designed to do. I'm not even multi-tasking here. I go into taskiller after I back out of every app to minimize the apps that are open/running to only what I'm currently using.
Now...if the phone is SUPPOSED to do these things, but CAN'T - then we're not taxing the phone, it's just not performing as it should be. I don't think it's a fair argument to say that the user is the problem, not the phone (which seems to be what is being implied). And I'm not an idiot - I know the difference between normal/typical smartphone usage, and over-exhausting its resources. I don't even listen to music or anything. I don't think my usage of the phone can be considered 'taxing' the phone. If the phone can't do these simple tasks, then don't tell me that it CAN in the advertisements.
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09-01-2009 03:15 PM
gameplayer5 wrote:There's apparently some discrepancy over what exactly constitues 'taxing' the phone. I personally dont consider running a couple of widgets, and using various apps separately as 'taxing' the phone as that is what the phone was supposedly designed to do. I'm not even multi-tasking here. I go into taskiller after I back out of every app to minimize the apps that are open/running to only what I'm currently using.Now...if the phone is SUPPOSED to do these things, but CAN'T - then we're not taxing the phone, it's just not performing as it should be. I don't think it's a fair argument to say that the user is the problem, not the phone (which seems to be what is being implied). And I'm not an idiot - I know the difference between normal/typical smartphone usage, and over-exhausting its resources. I don't even listen to music or anything. I don't think my usage of the phone can be considered 'taxing' the phone. If the phone can't do these simple tasks, then don't tell me that it CAN in the advertisements.
Yeah, when I say taxing, I meant listening to music, playing a game and trying to get the phone to do something else. Your PC can open multiple browser windows. Will you be disappointed if it can't open three? How about 43? I don't think I ever read or saw an ad for the phone's multitasking capabilities. I assumed the phone would run some widgets along with being able to make phone calls and have background Google synching, or run some widgets and allow Google Maps. That said, since I am not a Twitterer or a Facebooker, I don't play games, and I always have my iPod available, I would say I haven't taxed my phone. I'm careful about what apps I run and what I have installed. I have seen the lag ascribed to the HTC keyboard, but only when suggestions and corrections are on. Otherwise, no lag. Period. None before I rooted and none afterward. My screens move immediately upon swiping, Market opens instantly, hitting home brings up my homescreen immediately...When I rotate the phone, it rotates, even too quickly sometimes as I often change my mind. I think you and I have distinctly different experiences with the phone. I wasn't implying that you didn't know what you are talking about. I hope this helps you.
